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  • In this podcast, I interview Dr Gordon, MD, DO, who has been practicing medicine for 57 years.
  • He heads a forum that has 4300 doctors reading it.
  • He’s kind of like a doctor’s doctor…
  • NIH gave him 31 million dollars to study chelation.
  • I had fun…He’s a cute guy. I like him.
  • Anyway, hope you enjoy…

Questions and Answers – Synopsis


Why is Lead so bad?

  • Interferes with energy production.
  • Interferes with brain and memory processes.
  • Lead interferes with everything
  • We are born with 1000X more lead than any human being 700 years ago.
  • You are always releasing lead in your body because it’s stored in your bones.
  • It takes 15 years to get rid of the lead in your bones because that’s how long it takes for the bones to completely renew.
  • Baby gets all the heavy metals from the mother.  Mother can get rid of lead by having more babies.
  • NIH gave him 31 million dollars to study his lead removal program…and it showed that chelation is safe and effective.  It dramatically reduces death in diabetics.
  • He’s doing now doing another multi-million dollar study to study lead.
  • You can pay 6000 dollars to test for all the chemicals and toxins in your body, but the doctor who does these tests says that not a single person isn’t loaded with toxins
  • That’s why we need to “detox”.
  • Saunas are a good way to sweat the toxins out.
  • DEA agents on a raid became mentally poisoned and didn’t know their name when the chemicals got thrown in the air.  They were completely disabled.
  • The toughest cases needed 8-10 hours of a Sauna for three months, but most needed less.
  • Sweating gets rid of poisons.
  • Coffee enemas can also get rid of toxins.  Pancreatic patients live longer.
  • Whatever disease you talk about, you need to detox.
  • Dr. Gordon was a cardiac cripple, couldn’t go up a flight of steps at 16, had to close his office down at 28.
  • After 8 doses of chelation, Dr. Gordon felts amazing and his endurance went up dramatically.
  • Inflammation is the biggest problem today.  Inflammation is tied to every disease.  Getting rid of the lead isn’t enough anymore because we’re loaded with infections and toxins.  Our microbiome is disturbed.  We used to have 30,000 bacterial organisms in our intestines, and now we have 3,000.
  • Round-up/glyphosate disturbs our intestinal flora.
  • It’s not enough today just to get lead and mercury out.

Can you get lead and mercury out of the brain?

  • Your body can’t keep a ton of lead in one tissue and zero in another tissue.  The body distributes it.

How do you respond to the critics who attack your 31 million dollar study that it’s not “clinically significant.”?

  • Nonsense…the directors of the NIH are giving him another 30 million dollars because they were impressed with the study’s outcome.

How do you combine Niacin and the infrared sauna?

  • This is what they used for the DEA agents who were completely disabled.
  • A lot of people hate niacin flush, and it’s theoretical that it works.
  • He’d rather it be more simple and easier, so he doesn’t use the niacin flush.
  • He’s the father of Zeolite….
  • First, you need to lower the level of inflammation.
  • He’d rather lower the inflammation than the lead first.
  • An anti-inflammatory diet is important.
  • Redox signaling molecules.  ASEA water.  10,000 papers on redox signaling molecules.
  • is a place where you can learn about redox.
  • We have more influence from our mother because she controls the mitochondria.
  • Restoreforlife has been able to concentrate on the mitochondria problem.
  • We need to restore the biodiversity.  Restoreforlife sells a product that restores biodiversity.  Thanks to things like antibiotics and glyphosate, we destroyed our gut flora.
  • Dr. Gordon feels amazing now and some of this is from taking a teaspoon of a homeopathic redox signaling supplement.  Supplement has frequencies.

What do you think of the criticism of homeopathy, that it has no active molecules?

  • It gives the body frequencies.  We know it works, but we’re still not sure exactly how.  It’s completely affordable and nontoxic.
  • He’s the doctor that cancels bypass and stents.  If what he does doesn’t work he’d be sued left and right.  His program works on everyone.

Do you test people for heavy metals? If yes, why, since everybody is loaded with heavy metals anyway..?

  • Yes, he loves testing…Testing is important because it gives doctors cover when they get people off of drugs and surgeries.

What are the main sources of heavy metals?

  • Lead is not such a problem today, but mercury is in everyone’s face.
  • It’s coming from coal plants and all over the environment…there’s Nowhere to hide.
  • Most of what we think is right is entirely wrong when we look at it more closely.
  • At age 80, he’s riding his bike up steep hills.
  • Put good stuff in and take bad stuff out.

What’s your diet like?

  • 50% of his diet is from fat.
  • Since he can’t afford to eat all organic, he makes sure to take his restore4life that’s sold on
  • Why does he push it?  Because if he can’t that biodiversity back, everyone will have twice the size of the stool volume and you may not have to spend 3 months in the sauna.
  • Uses ozone in infrared sauna that covers body, but your head sticks out….so your body is swimming in ozone, but you shouldn’t breath it in…..and he combines this with restoreforlife…and this has great detoxing abilities.

What do you think of the cheaper Ozone devices?

  • Yes, there’s certainly a difference, but cheap home devices are still good.
  • This past week he’s felt better than he has in his whole life.
  • Skin is more effective than your kidneys in getting rid of some toxins.
  • Takes oral chelation for 40 years.

How much EDTA do you take?

  • 1g is a good dose. Sodium EDTA is good when taken internally.
  • If you have inflammation, you will have hyper coagulability and sticky platelets.
  • Zeolite and high dose vitamin C takes care of heavy metals.
  • Magnesium is the calcium tamer…he’s got a new magnesium coming…
  • EDTA is great, but high dose vitamin C is also great and he’s now focusing on other things such as lowering the level of inflammation.
  • Check out, which has been having great results with people.

Do you take calcium supplements?

  • You have no choice because we have too much phosphorous in our diet, so he takes 500mg calcium a day.
  • I tell him my own approach, which he favors.
  • ME: EDTA combats lectin sensitivity, is an antioxidant, increases blood flow and most importantly a calcium channel blocker….
  • Him: He makes fun of cardiologists because magnesium and EDTA are calcium channel blockers.
  • When you stop leaky gut, brain fog goes away and gluten sensitivity goes away.
  • Restore4life is perhaps the biggest breakthrough, as it combats food sensitivities and cured his own issues with gluten.

What do you think of using PEMF on your gut?

  • He likes the idea.
  • He’s a big fan of the ICES device.
  • There’s always hope….no matter how many health issues you have.

What do you think of modified citrus pectin?

  • He likes it, but he’s busy with getting good zeolite on the market.
  • Zeolite attracts arsenic and other heavy metals, so you need the right kind.

Did you ever try kombucha?

  • He thinks it’s good, but doesn’t seem to like the taste so much.
  • Kombucha is great because it has probiotics….
  • Me: it also has gluconic acid, which chelates all the heavy metals.

What is the main mechanism of Ozone?

  • It causes the microbe and viral load to die because we can’t handle the challenge without the right gut flora.
  • People have really nasty infections.
  • Ozone can be used in your ear, your rectum (via an enema), in an infrared sauna with your head sticking out.
  • Ozone is used well with silver, UV blood irradiation, vitamin C, redox signaling molecules…..
  • He met with the head of the BYU university in Provo, with the head of the toxicology lab.  Ozone is at the top of the list of things that kill infections…

How do you take your ozone?

  • He drinks his ozone water in intervals, rather than throughout the day.

What do you think of the fact that silver builds up in the body?

  • He doesn’t think it’s a problem that silver aggregates in the body.
  • When they drank from silver cups, they had the best music ever made.
  • Silver is the best sterilizer. You want a good quality silver.

What do you think of the fact the people with health issues already have high SOD (internal anti-oxidant) levels, which means that oxidative therapies might not work because their antioxidant defenses are very high?

  • Those tests are probably not checking intracellular SOD levels because they would be too expensive.  What he does know is that when he gives people oxidants, they do better.
  • Products like Restore4life and ASEA have stabilized redox signaling molecules.

How do you combine oxidative and anti oxidative therapies?

  • “The science of healing revisited,” says you need both concurrently in order for it to work…author has a degree in nuclear medical physics.

I ask him about frequencies of the lasers and whether cheap ones will suffice….

  • He says he thinks they are good.

I ask him if he uses PEMF/ICES on his eye…

  • He says he thinks that’s a good idea.
  • It can treat glaucoma, macular degeneration, etc…
  • He puts it on his thymus and everywhere….our bodies operated on a different field than we have now…

What do you think of LLLT on the testes to increase testosterone?

  • He thinks it’s a good idea.
  • He goes on to explain the power of frequencies.

What he thinks of the fact that people have low CRP and still have a lot of issues?

  • The inflammation is localized.

He puts restore4life in his nose…

Phosphohexoseisomerase is the test to detect cancer 4-5 years before you get diagnosed.…

Products Discussed

  • ICES® DigiCeutical® A9a Model System (discount code is “SHCOIL”).
  • Infrared Sauna
  • Infrared sauna – to fill with ozone
  • LLLT – 660nm….Has different effects than the other one that I recommend.  Get both.
  • LLLT – 850nm (CCTV camera).  This one only has infrared, as opposed to the light relief.  I like both of them.  Take off glass.
  • LLLT to put up nose
  • Infrared Light at night and in the day.  It will also warm you up.
  • Ozone Generator
  • EDTA
  • ASEA
  • Renu
  • ACS Silver
  • ACZ nano zeolite
  • Vitamin C- Buffered
  • Kombucha
  • Oxygen Concentrator – as an oxidative therapy
  • Hydrogen Peroxide
  • K2


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  • Katheryn

    August 2018: So how does one source the Restore4Life? I do not find that product listed in the store that carries Longevity Plus manufactured products.

  • Sharon

    This is June 10, 2018
    How do I order Garry Gordons products ? Just watched a youtube vidieo dated 2014

    Longevityplus is out of busniess. How do I get his protocals and products?

  • Ingrid Kunze

    Thanks so much for this very informative interview. Glad you shared that Kombucha is also a chelator. I did not know that.

  • sult

    you wrote:” Dr Gordon feels amazing now and some of this is from taking a teaspoon of a homeopathic redox signaling supplement. Supplement has frequencies.”
    my question is what is the name of that homeopathic redox signaling supplement? thanks

  • Osb


    what are your thoughts on ozone but through injextions (IV)? Do you think its beneficial?

  • kirkmoore22 (@kirkmoore22)

    how does one get in touch with Dr Gordon, his office, staff, etc? The number on his website doesn’t go anywhere,and I’ve tried for months to reach him via email. I am a physician looking for some more info on chelation.

  • danimal

    good to know about the restore4life. I wasn’t trying to bash the product. It might work in the right person, and maybe your gut is pretty good? (how long did you try it out for)

    ….and yea. dr gordon’s sold some companies in the past and headed some organizations/conferences….no way his claim that he can’t eat all or even mostly organic is true

  • danimal

    I can’t fathom how this dr who probably has a pension and collecting social security (did i say he was a dr) can’t eat all or mostly organic. It cannot be that expensive for somebody of his stature. It’s suspicious and makes it seem as if it’s his way of marketing the restore4life product and probably others. (i’m not saying that eating all organic will prevent all problems)

    I would like to hear declarations of any conflict of interest in any of the ;products he mentioned. Gerald Pollack was very clear about his affiliations.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      lol, restore4life didn’t do anything for me.

  • Mike Graham

    My doctor would like to do a stent for a heart blockage I would rather try EDTA therapy I live in Flint Michigan can you recommend a doctor or such Who will administer IV EDTA therapy sincerely Michael Graham

    Sent from my iPhone

  • Caitlin

    Thank you for the information!

    Do you know if the ozone generator that you listed is powerful enough to work for the infrared sauna listed or if that can only be used for drinking water?

    Also, have you experimented at all with ionized water (i.e. Kangen water)? If so, do you find results from drinking it?


    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      A post will be released on a better Ozone machine and protocol.

  • salc

    for someone with gut issues (leaky gut, IBS, malabsorbtion, diarreah, FODMAP issues, Constipation, etc) would you say restoreforlife would be the best investment, or is there a better out there? I am having tons of problems and want to get something quick!

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      I haven’t found that restore4life gets rid of food sensitivities for me.

      1. Om

        So what product do u recommend for someone with gut issues?

  • Jason Welsh

    Thanks for the interview. I’ve seen the metal dumping study from Iran from mothers to fetuses. He was really conservative with the 1000 plus lead level today compared to 700 years ago. Also research has come up showing genetic sensitivity to mercury effecting kidneys and cognition in children.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen


  • om

    thoughts on whats worth investing in from this interview? like restore for life etc? I sometimes can’t tell if you are just agreeing with them to be nice, or you do in fact believe what they are saying is true lol.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      Lol, sometimes I agree just to be nice so be careful about that. Was very skeptical of the restore for life, but I’m trying it out and I will update people after I’ve tried it for long enough, but it seems to have some effect. I recommend everything except I’m in middle of experimenting with these:
      ACS Silver
      ACZ nano zeolite

      1. Nicholas Mathews

        I’m trying the Restore 4 Life as well. I got the small bottle. More than halfway through in a week. Normal dose is 1 TSP 3 times a day (before meals is best they say). I took swigs the first week as I have had a lot of digestion issues off and on. I look forward to hearing Joseph’s thoughts on this. They have 2 white papers on it protecting from Gluten insult, protecting from Glyphosate (Herbicide heavily used on pretty much all crops) insult, and repairing Glyphosate damage. To summarize:

        “RESTORE was found to protect the gut wall from gluten (PT-gliadin peptides) insult.
        A study was performed using this methodology where Transepithelial electric resistance (TEER) was measured in 24 well transwell plates using the epithelial Volt-ohmmeter fitted with a planar electrode. Caco-2 cells were seeded and incubated until a stable TEER was measured three days in a row.

        RESTORE at a 20% concentration and a control (culture media without RESTORE) were placed on the cells and left overnight. These cells were then treated with and without PT-gliadin at 1 mg/ml (sigma) TEER measured at the 60 minute time point.

        RESTORE increased the TEER in Caco-2 (14%). PTgliadin (gluten) dramatically decreased the TEER in both Caco-2 (24.3%) cells. RESTORE blocked this gluten dependent decrease in TEER (Figure 1) resulting in TEER that was 22% higher (p<0.05, n=6)."

        "RESTORE was found to protect the gut wall from glyphosate insult. A study was performed using this methodology where Transepithelial electric resistance (TEER) was measured in 24 well transwell plates
        using the epithelial Volt-ohmmeter fitted with a planar electrode. Cells were seeded and incubated until a stable TEER was measured three days in a row.

        RESTORE at a 20% concentration, glyphosate at 10 mg/ml (sigma), or both RESTORE (20% concentration) and then glyphosate (10 mg/ml, sigma) was added to the apical membrane compartment and TEER measured at the 30 minute time point. RESTORE increased the TEER in both IEC6 (95%) and Caco-2 (35%).

        Glyphosate dramatically decreased the TEER in both Caco-2 (76%) and IEC6 (80%) cells. RESTORE blocked this glyphosate dependent decrease in TEER in both cell lines (Figure 1a and b) resulting in TEER that was 296% higher in Caco-2 (p<0.05, n=4) and 474% higher in IEC6 (p<0.05, n=4)."

        "RESTORE was also found to repair the gut wall after glyphosate insult. A similar study was performed using this methodology where TEER was measured in 24 well transwell plates using the epithelial Voltohmmeter
        fitted with a planar electrode. Cells were seeded and incubated until a stable TEER was measured three days in a row.

        RESTORE at 20% concentration, glyphosate at 10 mg/ml (sigma), or both glyphosate (10 mg/ml, sigma) and RESTORE (20% concentration) was added to the apical membrane compartment and TEER measured at the 30 minute time point.

        RESTORE alone increased the TEER in IEC6 (111%). Glyphosate dramatically decreased the TEER in both Caco-2 (83%) and IEC6 (66%) cells. RESTORE repaired this glyphosate dependent decrease in TEER in both cell lines (Figures 2a and 2b) resulting in TEER that was 414% higher in Caco2 (p<0.05, n=4) and 315% higher in IEC6 (p<0.05, n=4)."

        1. Joseph M. Cohen


        2. Scott

          Restore is a wonderful product.

    2. om

      So is Restore4life a good investment you think? or is there any other product takeaways from this? I mean he seems to make restore4life sound like its the elixir of youth but what do you think?

  • lordilol

    those interviews are quite incredible,
    you seem to have a thing in choosing subjects that gives
    “direction in new ways” and they want to share it
    keep the interviews going its interesting.
    actually i find some of the stories not believable?
    but then there is a common theme in the interviews,
    everything you seem is true dont have to be true, and there are things that are true that we are not aware of.
    then it might be possible.
    joe where do you find those guys?

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      lol, the interviews to come will be more conventional. Most people say they like my posts better….

      I usually take a few things from these people, but after a few weeks I come back down to earth. I think people get hyper-focused on their ideas and can’t take a step back from it and look at it in perspective.

      1. lordilol

        i like your posts , but some of the things said in the interviews are quite ridiculous. i would never expect to hear some of those stuff.
        thats why i say those people are amazing, if of couse they are truthful, of course they could be full of fallacies.
        i am kinda intrested in your take about restore for life and
        the other product ASEA.
        actually i was like this with the PALLOCK interview as well, and then after a few days forgot about it.
        i added cold water and beach walk,but beach walk i am not sure if its sustainable, i think i will grow tired of it. lol

  • Nicholas E. Woods

    Seems like a neat guy. Really enjoying the interviews Joe. The restore for life thing seems interesting and for 30 bucks I figure it’s worth a look. Keep up the great work!

  • KO

    Have you thought using citric acid as oral chelator, instead of EDTA?

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      Yes, but I say malic acid is better if you want it to increase energy production

  • Lucas N

    Marvelous Joe.

    Quick reading the notes. Do you felt some testosterone boost with LLLT on your testes? Could I use Light Relief for try it?

    Thanks man.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen


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