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These are all short and most have music, which makes them more inspiring.  1.5X means this is the preferable speed I listen to it at.

I give a short explanation because the first time I listened to many of these videos I didn’t fully understand what he was saying, but it sounded good.  Anyway, these are my interpretations that make sense to me.  I ordered them roughly in how much I appreciate them.

I relisten to these sometimes as occasional reminders.

1) Time to Wake Up (1.5X) – on watching, letting things be, accepting our destiny because we can’t control it.  The concept of Judo- go along with it, go along with it…..

2) Live Fully Now – on the ridiculousness of the rat race.  You must live in the present.

3) The Way of Waking Up – on simply being.  When shedding the ego, the world becomes a general experience that’s not different from anyone else’s experience and so whenever someone is born, in a way it’s as if you are born.   If you can imagine your own consciousness being destroyed (by using LSD), a different one reemerges and it’s no different as if you died and were reborn.  A bit gimmicky and not clear logic, but good music.

4) The Secret of Life – The false idea that we must keep living and be successful.  On the importance of allowing life to be lived spontaneously, without goals, commands or control.   On being and experiencing the world.  On playing, instead of working.

5) Follow Your Heart – Following your passion, trusting your future, destiny, and intuition.  Acting as if money were no object.  Time is limited.  What do I desire? You’ll know when you find it. Stay hungry, stay foolish.

6) Playing The Game of Life – on forever being a candidate for a living, but never actually living.  All wretch and no vomit.  Until you are retired and sick.  On working to make money to buy pleasure, which doesn’t cause happiness.  Making plans for the future is of use only to people who are capable of living in the present.

7) Let Go of Controlling Everything (1.5X) – Trusting your nature, giving up control, and letting the universe decide for you.  Trying to control will antagonize your flow and you’ll live less experientially. Trusting the real you and the universe is a way to become one with it.

8)  Be Yourself – the real you.  Your experience is all that is there. Our perception of reality is only brought into being by our senses. Red is really a wave, but eyes see red, not waves.  Sound is vibrations and noise is a creation of our ear drums.  So in that sense, we are a god, because we create sound, light, and everything we experience, and that’s all that there is.  Your experiences are you and nothing else is you.

9) The Illusion of Ego (1.5X) – On trying to use the Ego to control our lives, which only causes strain because what we think of as ‘Me’ can’t actually control anything.  Therefore, all we can do is watch, which is the state of meditation.  On the distortions that the Ego causes – accentuates good and bad, pleasant and painful.  In reality, everything is vibrations (matter is vibrations).  In Zen, you act immediately, instead of thinking about acting.  We only know something because of contrast – only know hard because of soft, light because of dark, etc…So what we know isn’t an absolute experience, just perceptions – they’re really just vibrations.  The Ego is a similar kind of illusion.  Life is about appreciating the vibrations, but realizing that vibrations are just that.

10) The Illusion of Self – follow ideas to the extreme.

Life is like an onion.  Some try to peel an onion as fast as we can to get to the core or some future point until we realize that an onion is all skins and no center.  You must enjoy the skins if you are to enjoy the onion.  In the same way, you must enjoy your current experience.

The story of a man who fights a bear that is capable of reading his thoughts.  Since the bear knows in advance how the man will hit it, the only way for the man to win the fight is to hit it by accident.

A student trying to learn from his Zen master is trying to purposefully do something in a formal way, which is antithetical to Zen.  In Zen, life is about the experience.  The master can’t teach you anything because there is nothing to learn.  And so the student is on a goal oriented journey to get somewhere, but eventually, he must realize/internalize that there’s nowhere to go and nothing to learn.

11) The Way of Waking up (1.5X) – There’s nowhere you have to go or nothing to do to be happy.  You’re here.  If you’re ready to wake up…you’re going to wake up.

12) The Mind -worrying that we worry, addiction to thinking, constant distraction from ourselves, shutting down the mind,

13) It Starts Now – as long as we try to control and get somewhere, meditation isn’t possible.  On the endless obsession of frivolous superiority – one is slightly more evolved than another.  On being in the present and not using excuses to explain your present, but just accepting it.  You can’t blame anyone for where you are.

14) Alan Watts and South Park (1.5X)- cute, good mix of Alan Watts.

15) Living In Nothingness – on the importance of imagining that all your possessions were destroyed.  Nothingness is the fundamental reality and viewing the world in such a way…but in nothing there is everything.   Gives opposite perspectives of living, both of which are true.

16) The Dream of Life/What If God Became Bored (similar) (1.5X) – Why planning and dreaming of the future is silly – because in a way the spontaneous and unknowableness of our present and future…. is a dream that we would’ve planned if given the chance.  I don’t fully ‘get it’, but sounds cool.

17) Creating Who You Are – you don’t know what you want because you have it, and you don’t know yourself because you never can.  Instead of trying to create (through will) who we are, we should let go and just accept whatever we are/desire.  The more we try to control, the more energy we exert and the more we are in defensive mode (constantly trying to keep everything in line).  When we give up control, we gain a new power.  Only once we realize that we can’t control, is when we start to give it up.

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  • Devon James

    From what I was able to gather, I have to side with Aaron’s perspective about awareness (commonly understood as awakening). Further, I feel that both of you are misrepresenting Watts’ philosophy, or at the very least equating Watts’ ontological and metaphysical beliefs to his representation of Zen Buddhism.

    Watts has a lot of Eastern philosophical influence; as he says himself, he provides Eastern philosophy for a Western audience. As dynamic as he was, this should not, however, restrict him from being influenced by the Continental philosophical tradition, among other philosophies. As such, Watts’ theory is in-part Heidegerrian, at least with respect to Heidegger’s existential phenomenology. Watts’ should not be interpreted as a strict Zen Buddhist; he formed his own philosophy, what I would call ‘The Optimal Game’.

    I say this because the central point of his ontology aims to express how nothing is equal to everything. Amidst the moment of satori, oceanic experience (a theory popularized by freud), whatever terminology you choose to designate the sensation brought about by intellectual yogas that he seeks to articulate –the moment of awakening– the individual ceases to be–is nihilated (to borrow a term from Heidegger), extirpated out of being– and is instead ‘the encounter with eternity’. To rephrase, the individual becomes all that there is, the individual becomes ‘the nothing’. Such a state precludes any notion of individuality, control, nor existence, Anything outside of nothing is superfluous. Zen koans are used to try to express such a thing, for any attempt at communicating such a state is, in effect, superfluous.

    A couple of years ago I took the time to entertain Watts’ corpora. The most enlightening lecture he gave, one that’s excluded from your list, and what I would consider to be his magnum opus, is the “Out of Your Mind — The Nature of Consciousness” audio lecture series. It is lengthy, but absolutely brilliant. If you have not already, check it out asap. It is a crucial, easy listen if you wish to properly orient yourself around his other philosophical works. Such a listen jumpstarted my pursuance of undergraduate studies in philosophy. Another route to take in approaching Watts would be to first read Heideggers’ “What is Metaphysics?” essay.

    “When one speaks of awakening it means de-hypnotization, coming to your senses; in order to do that you must first go out of your mind.” — Wattsy Boy

    P.S. Great blog! I am finding loads of useful information within your posts; I am eager to see what else your trajectory discloses to us viewers.

    1. Devon James

      Just realized I read all the comments in reverse (know wonder I was confused), and I know see that you have already come to a conclusion of your discussion. My former comment may be nonsensical…

  • Joseph M. Cohen

    UPDATE: Me and Aaron got into a discussion and we worked out our differences of opinion.

    We realized why we were misunderstanding each other.

    Aaron interprets letting go as not trying to control anything about your personality. This means that if you feel a desire or impulse, you shouldn’t dampen it.

    I interpret letting go as letting go of your impulses, desires, goals and disengaging from attachments. This type of letting go is a type of an intervention, which is helpful for me. Aaron believes that any intervention is harmful for him.

    Both approaches are two different branches of Zen. I favor the more interventionist Zen for myself and he favors the less interventionist variety. Both of these can suit different people.

    Alan Watts conflates both branches of Zen and bunches them into one, but they should be used by different people.

    Through our discussions, we realized that these approaches suit us because of our personality differences. The main difference is in the way we experience ‘pain’ or ‘pleasure’.

    Aaron gets more of a high from pleasure and less of a low from pain, whereas I get more of low from pain and less of a high from pleasure. I am relatively risk averse and he enjoys risk.

    Risk makes me feel ungrounded, while he feels exhilirated. I minimize risk or the experience of pain from disengaging from attachments by ‘letting go’. Aaron’s orientation is to experience life to the fullest and lets go of trying to change anything about his personality.

    1. Aaron

      Perfect. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      I would say, though, that you don’t so much let go of your attachment to an object as let go of the object itself.

      You do this by changing your intention towards an object. An object that isn’t the focus of your intentions ceases to have emotional significance for you. Attachment fades away naturally.

      In other words you “disengage” from the object in question.

      1. Joseph M. Cohen

        Interesting, yet subtle take. Must be the nicotine, lol. I certainly agree with you, but I still think there’s other processes going on.

  • lordlol

    i think aaron and you joe have miscommunication
    i mean, i read what you write and i am not sure if you both know what the other party is saying lol.

    its like a bird and a dog trying to communicate, eh.

    well i think
    this sums it for me:
    being aware is one thing.
    flowing with your desire and not really trying to change them is an other.
    simplfying is an other thing but you need to know what your are going to substract so awareness gonna serve you?>

    i dont think joe tries to make you intervene in your mental state at all actually, but he does seem a bit confusing when he presents some separate ideas as the same. awareness require some energy,if you flow your desires and busy you wont have enough free attentio to notice wtf are you doing like reflecting and stuff.

    awareness- allows you to notice patterns of your own mind and thuse give you recognition how to better use your own mind, if you go near a cake and eat it, then stay the fuck out of cakes, or if you focus here more then there, then do your focus tasks here.

  • Aaron

    How can being aware not be an action? Its clearly effort. Its clearly a prescription for action.

    Just admit it already 🙂

    I don’t think its a big deal though – what’s wrong with saying some action is necessary to achieve a more comprehensive non-action in your being?

    I think that’s a coherent and even attractive proposition.

    Allow me to highlight one word you used – “trying”, when you said “trying to be aware”.

    Your distinctive innovation is to to introduce the word “trying” into a conversation about non-trying without admitting its paradoxical. I admit such philosophical subtlety is beyond me.

    My earthy common sense cannot rise to such heights.

    In all seriousness I think your advice is fantastic, I just feel it can be presented in a less paradoxical and more forthright manner, which would erase some of the confusion for the less philosophically subtle such as myself.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      To clarify: self awareness means to be an observer of your thoughts, feelings and actions.

      I agreed already that we should forget about semantics. Whether it’s considered an action/effort or not, it worked for me and it works for other people.

      And I’m not completely against your position. I don’t think people should actively try to be more aware. I’ve mentioned a few times that if you want to build self-awareness all you can/should do is simplify or not be so busy and just realize that it has value. You must simplify your thoughts as well and genuinely believe that thoughts about the future and past don’t contribute to long term happiness and can actually cause unhappiness (they did for me).

      You can call this an activity if you want, but for me it happened in lock step with my awareness that future and past thoughts didn’t make me happy. So it wasn’t quite an activity.

      Letting go isn’t an active process either. Once you become aware of your actions, I find myself spontaneously letting go. So letting go comes from self-awareness and realizations.

      But if it’ll make you happy, the only effort that you should do is be aware and let go.

      My only problem with this isn’t the accuracy of the statement, but that people will view it as an imperative or effortful activity. The literalness destroys the spirit that I’m trying to convey. I want to try to use language that implies that it should be done in an effortless, gentle and accepting way. That if you can’t let go, that’s alright as well or if letting go is causing you strain then you can stop. I want to convey that it should feel and be natural. It’s qualitatively different than other actions if it’s an action.

      I know if I try to become aware in a very effortful way, my OCD goes up. What does it mean very effortful vs non effortful? Hard to explain, but the effortful that has a goal attached to it is the harmful kind of effort. So if you say to yourself I’m going to try very hard to be aware for the whole day, that’s a goal. If you say to yourself that I must let go of all of my anger now, then that’s not the spirit of it. It should be that however long it takes you to let go and if you can’t ever let go – then that’s fine also. It’s more gentle, less goal oriented and more spontaneous.

      This is perhaps my favorite video of all time because it conveys the spirit of it all. Go along with it, go along with it. Just stop trying to change things and accept. “You needn’t feel guilty because you feel guilty.”

      When I just stop doing things and lie down in bed, my awareness takes over. Effortless. And if I’m unaware then I don’t care.

      So I have no problem calling it an effort if you wish, but I think that will cause people to become even more confused. If it were presented in that way I know I would misunderstand it, regardless of the semantic accuracy.

      And on some level, everything in our being is one effort or another. No matter how you slice it, you’re always putting in effort. The point is to gravitate to a being that requires the least effort – and we must each find our own ways that require least effortful living. I guess that’s the point. I’ll repeat that: We must each find the most effortless way of living for us – and however you do that, I’m in favor. The path of least resistance/effort.

      1. Aaron

        Insofar as I understand your not entirely clear response, you wish to avoid labeling it an action – even though you admit repeatedly that it is an action – because you fear that people might use the wrong amount of effort.

        Seems that you could just have clarified and explained that easily enough in your essay.

        All the explanations you gave just now help people practice non-action much better than being dishonest with oneself and others ever can.

        I believe clarity, honesty, and courage is best in all things. Not to mention it seems cowardly to do any less.

        I do understand the basis of your fear now and I sympathize with you- you yourself do not really understand how these ideas have helped you so you don’t want to scrutinize them too closely. You’re afraid the magic will disappear under too bright a light. Better to be soothed by a formula without looking too closely into whats going on.

        While I can understand the courage needed to question our cherished beliefs, I think your clarifications in this response show that your fears were misguided.

        The idea that being aware is an action but shouldn’t be pursued too aggressively, without time constraints, with no outcome-dependence, with acceptance of failure, seems to provide far better guidance than encouraging people to hide from themselves precisely what they are doing.

        Refusing to acknowledge the obvious simply corrupts thinking as well as character. When you are honest about what you are doing, you set the stage for further insights and you have a deeper understanding of what is before you, and you cultivate the courage needed for future acceptance of difficult things that are life-enhancing.

        Its a slippery slope, my friend.


        1. Aaron

          If a person is fortunate enough to naturally be visited by certain realizations that result in him letting go, then that’s great, but you can’t exactly advise him to have naturally occurring realizations.

          Advise means actionable ideas.

          An actionable idea here is to cultivate awareness – which hopefully will result in the desired realizations over time, which will undermine the emotional basis for wanting to control, which will result in effortless letting go.

          This is a perfectly coherent position, though its seems to have some rather simplistic assumptions about human nature that I fear history does not bear out. But that’s neither here nor there.

          1. Joseph M. Cohen

            I agree with you in that I don’t think any advice should be actionable. My job is just to make people aware of certain ideas, and whatever happens after that will happen. They shouldn’t try to do anything.

            All I’m saying is that if a person watches their reality unfold/are more aware (become an observer), their life will improve in various ways. Either a person will become more aware after that or not, and that depends on their personality. Most people will not change, but it struck a deep chord in me and I’ve changed tremendously as a result of these ideas.

            I do think that meditation – which is an effort – can certainly be helpful in helping someone build awareness (as opposed to your position?).

            And I want to reiterate that however the ideas were told to me were very helpful. I feel more ‘safe’ in presenting them in the same way.

            I think the way I present them is good for people in the beginning and intermediate stages. I’ve hit a point where I don’t feel I can benefit from reading Jon Kabat Zinn any more. In my current state, I’m at a point where I don’t feel any advice can help me and I don’t try to build awareness or let go or do anything. I just do what feels natural. But perhaps this was only possible after listening to the ideas as they were presented? Maybe not.

            Perhaps I should emphasize that the way I’m explaining it is for beginners and intermediates, lol. The advanced explanation is that you can’t do a damn thing to change yourself, lol.

            I’ll have a disclaimer: Non technical articles on this blog are purely for entertainment purposes, lol. They are not meant to actually make you better in any way – although planting the seed is important.

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          2. Aaron

            Makes sense.

            I will leave on one final note. I’m more of an “affirmationist” kind of guy – I believe in affirming all aspects of your being. This has a negative and a positive application. Negatively you cease trying to pursue aims, desires, and aspirations that are antagonistic to your personality. Positively this means unleashing – or at least affirming and embracing – impulses, desires, and emotions that arise spontaneously as central aspects of your personality.

            For instance, if I felt infatuation I would not resist it. I would embrace it while understanding that it involves emotional risk. But emotional risk – risk in general – cannot be subtracted from a worthwhile life. We cannot live in a risk free environment – nor would we want to. I would also realize that I cannot control the outcome and be prepared for defeat. Such is life.

            I feel this is strongest frame one can operate from, although I suspect you differ from me in this.


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        2. Joseph M. Cohen

          I agree with almost all of what you’re saying, but I didn’t think the advice was dishonest. The way I present it is the way it was presented to me and that presentation helped me out a lot.

          But we both agree that the approach people should take is the path of least resistance and effort for you – the path that feels most natural. We also agree that people will be happier if they let go and accepted whatever their reality is.

          We also probably agree that people need to simplify their life and their mind (my position) and not be so busy in order to allow self awareness. For me, simplifying the mind means not thinking about the past or future. People need to ask themselves if these past and future thoughts help them or hurt them. For me, I learnt that they are harmful and after that realization I spontaneously stopped almost all of them – it was effortless. People need to be aware that they can be harmful – but you disagree here, right? You say thinking about the past and future is just as good as paying attention to the present (still your position?). I have a completely different experience.

          For me the least effortful path includes being aware (watching, listening) and letting go.

          So your point is that I should include all of the caveats in every post that I write? If you think people will be confused, I’ll do that.

          1. Aaron

            “but I didn’t think the advice was dishonest. The way I present it is the way it was presented to me and that presentation helped me out a lot.”

            Whether it helped you isn’t relevant to the question of whether its an accurate presentation. I don’t for a moment think you were being malicious, just confusing.

            I do think you should include all the clarifications simply because I think its important to be as clear and accurate as we can get. We never know what future insights will take place, if any, but they can only be impeded if there is confusion.

            In truth, my personal position hasn’t changed from our last conversation a few months ago.

            I think interventions in our state of mind aren’t a good idea – they don’t work, and satisfy the need for control. I think cultivating awareness and letting go to be interventions. I think interventions in our state of mind ultimately undermine key aspects of our personality and sap our strength.

            I believe the only way people change is through the pain/pleasure system as applied through experience. If someone seemingly persists in a self-destructive course, it isn’t because he isn’t aware, its because that course is pleasurable or important in other ways not always noticeable. Pain is a biological signal whose entire purpose is to make someone aware of danger. For instance I think cultivating awareness and letting go to be mental interventions that are damaging, but someone might persist in them because it satisfies important needs, like the need for control, and can help manage insecurity. So its worth it despite the fact that it fails at its intended effect since it has another more important effect.

            The pain/pleasure system, activated through experience, makes us evolve through our range of possibilites. Intellection is always a device to manage insecurity and create the illusion of control.

            Giving up, in my view, means simply stop trying to manipulate your psychology – navel gazing – and focus on the external world. Allow all natural reactions to take place, understanding that through the pain system, you will learn to avoid actions and situations that cause you pain without correspondingly worthwhile payoffs.

            It may seem I am being paradoxical here – I am advocating that you stop trying to cultivate awareness or letting go through an intellectual understanding. I am doing no such thing. I am merely describing not advocating.

            At present, cultivating awareness and letting go serves important needs for you even if they undermine your personality in serious ways, so the cost/benefit logic favors you continuing on this path for the moment.

            If you change (no longer need control), it will be through experience, and pain will naturally make you change course, as indeed is its purpose.

            But I am sure you COMPLETELY disagree with me on this 🙂


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          2. Joseph M. Cohen

            Whatever letting go or being aware is – whether it’s a new need to control or not – it helped me and it will help others.

            You think that since it didn’t help you, it can’t help others. Every opinion that you’ve ever formed is based on your own experience and then when you experience something else it changes from one day to the next. You’ve changed your opinions literally 1000X and each and every time you were 100% convinced in every opinion you had. My point is that perhaps you should be more willing to accept that you don’t know if the advice can or can’t help other people.

            It makes no difference if it’s a new need to control or not. Advice is given, people are helped. End of story. And I think it did help you.

            Even if it did signify an attempt to control – then that means it’s natural and trying to stop that signifies an effort and a new attempt to control. However you slice it, you are trying to get somewhere. On one level or another you have a goal – to experience the least pain and most pleasure or whatever else. No matter what you do is an effort acc to your definition. Focus on the external world? An effort. Most people don’t naturally do that mostly. Stopping to do anything differently? An effort. If you don’t stop trying to do anything differently, then everyone is exerting effort as it is.

            Ideas themselves won’t cause a change. They need to be coupled with experience, and they work synergistically. SO I agree that experience is crucial, but it’s not the only thing that’s important.

            I don’t cultivate awareness and letting anymore. It’s the most effortless state for me. I find that’s what my system does. After you have these basic ideas seared in your brain, experience is the only thing that’s left.

            Our system will naturally shift to the highest ratio of reward to harm that’s suited for our biology (some people genetically experience pleasure and pain to different degrees from the same stimulus)

            Well, I’m also merely describing, not advocating. I’m saying that the more aware you are and the more you let go of the need to control, the happier you will be. The more you simplify, the happier you will be.

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          3. Aaron

            To clarify.

            If trying to be successful is causing a person pain but he persists, its because of fear of social stigma and poverty. It isn’t because he isn’t aware its because he fears greater pain.

            If he reads intelligent writers whose lives are intact who have ceased being ambitious, this lessens the fear of social stigma – smart, successful people are doing it- and poverty – the writer isn’t on the street.

            So writings like yours Joe can have HUGE impact on people’s lives, but not because it makes them aware or “plants seeds”,, but because quite simply it can help change the pain/pleasure equation in the most direct way.

            Now I am SURE you disagree with me 🙂


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          4. Joseph M. Cohen

            I actually agree with that mostly, lol.

            The benefits of presenting ideas come from:
            1) The ideas themselves, which I think get people’s brains turning. If I talk about being an observer people will start noticing it. If I mention letting go and being aware, they will start paying attention to it. They will then try it and experience what it does for them. Does it cause them more pain or more pleasure? That will increase awareness alone.

            2) Me being a type of example. If I say I’ve let go and my experience only improved, people will be less fearful of letting go. And I agree that it will also lessen the fear of social stigma.

            3) Serves as a reminder for what people already know

            4) For entertainment purposes

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  • Aaron

    I think a better way of saying would be that you advocate controlling consciousness in order to not control other aspects of your being.

    This way you can be specific about what types of control you favor and which you don’t.

    Across the board letting go does not appear to be what you favor.

    In fact, complete drift and spontaneity would mean making no special effort to let go.

    Letting go – resisting your inner tendency to care – is itself an act of control.

    Letting go of specific attitudes, and resisting certain tendencies, is certainly a defensible, even attractive, position – but letting go can never be total without becoming paradoxical.

    What is important is to define the sphere in which letting go is operational, and the sphere in which it isn’t.

    1. Joseph M. Cohen

      Lol, our longstanding debate…

      To readers:
      Me and Aaron have debates all of the time. Most of the time we agree, but sometimes we disagree.

      My position is that letting go and being aware is the lack of an action and is the absence of an attempt to control.

      Aaron says that this is another attempt to control. Aaron claims that when he tries to be aware, it activates his OCD. Aaron claims that Alan Watts, Jon Kabat Zinn (experts in Zen) and company have it all wrong and misinterpret Zen. He claims that they (and me) are contradicting themselves because on the one hand they’re saying let go, but trying to let go by definition is not letting go – it’s attempt to control. Aaron claims mindfulness meditation (the most popular type) is just another attempt to control. Aaron doesn’t believe in scientific studies that show benefit for mindfulness meditation because he thinks science is completely broken and flawed because human nature is too biased, so he doesn’t give credence to any studies. Aaron believes Science is dominated by Jews and Asians, who are insecure of their position in the world and will fabricate the studies to further their career. He completely disregards any studies with Asian names. I’m endlessly humored by his opinions, but I disagree with them to a large degree.

      I say that we ditch the semantics and ask ourselves which approach makes you/us happier? In Aaron’s experience it made him more happy when not trying to be aware or let go. In my experience, I have found this to be therapeutic and I favor the general approach of Kabat-Zinn and Watts.

      I don’t dismiss his opinion completely. The way I’d reconcile our positions is by saying that our brains work differently and different approaches can work for different people. If trying to be aware and let go doesn’t feel natural for you then don’t do it. For me, it is natural. I don’t have to try to do it because it’s the state I find myself in naturally and Jon Kabat Zinn planted the seed for me (which I am grateful). If you try this approach and it makes you less happy or have more OCD, then ditch it. But I think it works for the vast majority of people.

      Aaron, if I misrepresented your position, then you can clarify.

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